[閒聊]爵士吉他

沙漠沖浪者 · Unread post by **沙漠沖浪者** » 2008-04-24, 23:10

zephyros wrote: 有點好奇第一張圖左邊的是那一把爵士琴？

菜圃果然有眾多的奇花異草靈芝神木﹐看到zephyros 君的幾個貼文﹐感覺到又是一個高手來訪﹐好奇的去看zephyros 君的部落格﹐果然發現他是個爵士吉他的愛好者和高手。希望zephyros 君能多上來談談爵士吉他﹐介紹有關器材﹐技巧﹐演奏家等。

我對爵士吉他一直很好奇但不得其門而入﹐1960年代在台灣只有一些菲律賓樂師會演奏一點簡單的爵士音樂外﹐幾乎沒有人會。我當時在學校社團有被台灣現在的爵士樂老前輩翟黑山老師指導過﹐當時他也沒有談到爵士吉他。

zephyros 君是否可以簡單的介紹我們如何進入爵士吉他的奧妙世界﹖

zephyros · Unread post by **zephyros** » 2008-04-25, 00:04

被點名了~~
我不算是高手啦，只是對爵士吉他很有興趣而已
其實要彈的像爵士樂，還是先把樂句的phrase練好
多聽點bebop，還有傳統swing

吉他的話，像是Tal Farlow，Johnny Smith，Joe Pass，Herb Ellis，Wes Montgomery，Jimmy Raney，先從這些人開始聽

至於練習方法有很多種，我覺得先去模仿當時那些大師彈奏的"想法"是很重要的，而不是用了一堆新的概念去分析解釋當時的人是怎麼彈的

沙漠沖浪者 · Unread post by **沙漠沖浪者** » 2008-04-25, 00:13

zephyros 君, 你客氣啦。

這樣好了﹐我們用問答方式幫助一些像我一樣的門外漢了解爵士吉他。

OK的話﹐我把問題列出來﹐你填入即可。

Unread post by **琵琶手** » 2008-04-25, 07:23

我也想去參觀你的網站
可以給我網址嗎?

Unread post by **閃電手** » 2008-04-25, 07:28

報告老闆, 就在zephros個資裡呀(回覆文下方也都有www呀!), 你就會摸清zephros的"底細"囉!

honeyoat · Unread post by **honeyoat** » 2008-04-25, 08:34

if i am allowed to share my thoughts on jazz i think over the years of me trying to learn some jazz guitar that i feel more and more that jazz is pretty much blues in disguise! the simple 1 4 5 really it's the fundamental of the jazz harmony. and now when i play "jazzier" stuff i have this freedom of not bounded by scale but rather by what i hear and in the same time you can still hear the blues in there.

here is sth i recorded almost 2 years ago

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QN1J4h8oCDo

jazzy blues? bluesy jazz? i don't really care just try to play what i hear in my head.
and listening to early master definitely helps too. i am listening a lot ray charles and buddy guy and transcribing their singing on guitar! they are amazing!
my 2 cents hope it helps!

Unread post by **stocktoto** » 2008-04-25, 08:37

資料很豐富耶~

zephyros · Unread post by **zephyros** » 2008-04-25, 09:03

趁著上班空檔（摸魚中），我先把沙漠叔問我的一些問題做個回應

問: Zephyros君, 我是爵士吉他的門外漢, 想開始去了解, 但是覺得此種吉他彈法非常獨特, 不容易領會. 我從你的部落格了解, 你是爵士吉他的愛好者, 也參與樂隊演奏, 是否可分享你的一些心路歷程和個人經驗.

Z:爵士樂因為強調即興演奏的緣故，因此學會即興的方法便成為每個爵士樂手學習的目標，但是也因為這部分每個大師都有獨特的見解，導致後輩學習的時候，往往會因為資訊不足或是資訊過多的情形，而感到無所適從。就算是去berklee學習，每個老師的概念也都不完全一樣。舉例來說，很多吉他樂手會用調式音階的手法來分析即興，但是在bebop時期（40年代）有很多爵士樂手其實是沒受過教育的，哪裡懂得調式是什麼。而我們卻用了不同於當時樂手的想法來思考，演奏當時的音樂，就容易陷入了理論的迷思。

而接著下來就是要找到自己喜歡的聲音，再去找相關資訊去學習；所以不斷的聆聽爵士樂是非常重要的。

問: 你是任何開始喜歡上爵士吉他的

Z:我學習吉他七年的時間，一開始是跟DOMS的阿邦學習，他當時介紹我很多音樂，像是GRP這類的，後來我也慢慢開始聽像是Wes Montgomery
Joe Pass等，後來發覺自己的個性實在是"硬"不起來，彈奏rock實在是很虛....jazz慵懶輕鬆的風格到還蠻適合我的，就開始找這方面的資訊。

問: 你是否建議初學吉他手馬上進入學習爵士吉他? 還是從比較簡單的藍調(Blues)先開始?

Z:如果是爵士樂迷，或是很常聽，那麼一開始就學習爵士吉他吧；但若只是因為學爵士樂好像懂得很多理論，所以去學爵士吉他....我個人是不太贊同這樣的想法。
爵士樂的大師們對於爵士樂的歷史，源流都是如數家珍的....這部分比較不同於流行音樂。

沙漠沖浪者 · Unread post by **沙漠沖浪者** » 2008-04-25, 09:04

honeyoat wrote:if i am allowed to share my thoughts on jazz i think over the years of me trying to learn some jazz guitar that i feel more and more that jazz is pretty much blues in disguise! the simple 1 4 5 really it's the fundamental of the jazz harmony. and now when i play "jazzier" stuff i have this freedom of not bounded by scale but rather by what i hear and in the same time you can still hear the blues in there.

here is sth i recorded almost 2 years ago

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QN1J4h8oCDo

jazzy blues? bluesy jazz? i don't really care just try to play what i hear in my head.
and listening to early master definitely helps too. i am listening a lot ray charles and buddy guy and transcribing their singing on guitar! they are amazing!
my 2 cents hope it helps!

Hey HoneyOat, this is a really nice surprise! I always thought you were a heavy metal or hard rock guitarist. I guess I was wrong. The little tune you post is refreshing and cool. I wish I can learn to play jazz someday.

I have two questions:

1) What guitar did you use for this tune? It sounds nice.
2) Who is your main influence? You said "early masters", but I heard some modern feel in your playing.

Normally I don't like to write in English on this forum. But I guess an exception can be made for your case. I am glad that at least you can read Chinese well, I presume? If so, I will reply in Chinese next time. I would like to share our discussion with everyone on this forum.

Nice chatting with you. We shall continue...

Best,
Desert Surfer

honeyoat · Unread post by **honeyoat** » 2008-04-25, 12:19

沙漠沖浪者 wrote:
honeyoat wrote:if i am allowed to share my thoughts on jazz i think over the years of me trying to learn some jazz guitar that i feel more and more that jazz is pretty much blues in disguise! the simple 1 4 5 really it's the fundamental of the jazz harmony. and now when i play "jazzier" stuff i have this freedom of not bounded by scale but rather by what i hear and in the same time you can still hear the blues in there.

here is sth i recorded almost 2 years ago

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QN1J4h8oCDo

jazzy blues? bluesy jazz? i don't really care just try to play what i hear in my head.
and listening to early master definitely helps too. i am listening a lot ray charles and buddy guy and transcribing their singing on guitar! they are amazing!
my 2 cents hope it helps!

Hey HoneyOat, this is a really nice surprise! I always thought you were a heavy metal or hard rock guitarist. I guess I was wrong. The little tune you post is refreshing and cool. I wish I can learn to play jazz someday.

I have two questions:

1) What guitar did you use for this tune? It sounds nice.
2) Who is your main influence? You said "early masters", but I heard some modern feel in your playing.

Normally I don't like to write in English on this forum. But I guess an exception can be made for your case. I am glad that at least you can read Chinese well, I presume? If so, I will reply in Chinese next time. I would like to share our discussion with everyone on this forum.

Nice chatting with you. We shall continue...

Best,
Desert Surfer

haha yeah i love rock guitar but don't really play metal at all! i started of playing acoustic learning tommy emmanuell note for note! Anyway i guess whatever i picked up on the way they creep up every now and then in my playing. thanks for listening too!

for that little tune i used to have this cheap van halen guitar (yes i am also a van halen fan ha!) copy made by the chinese company called olp maybe you have heard of it. it was just DI into the computer and added a bit of reverb i remember.

my main influence? i guess it changes all the time... i had moved on from tommy emanuelle to Slash to Bz to SRV to BB king to Buddy Guy now i am really into Jeff Beck and Ray charles and Nat king cole. you can almost say i am going back to the root of the blues and there are just tones of amazing musicians! as to the modern feeling i think i just play whatever felt right to me. maybe it's modern mixed with old ha.

I once had goals of being able to play like steve vai or some guys etc but now i realise it's really not much point being a clone of somebody else. now i'd rather learn something from someone that i really like. i think to learn the attitude and spirit is far more important than just copy it down..( havin said that it's still a very good displine )

My cover of "cus we ended as lovers" by the great Jeff Beck
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LiEhQ9dr2Lw

and our band cover of " Creep" by Radiohead ( i really like this arrangement )

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bMHjHLBUkY

they are both different to the original but i think they still kind of have the original feel to it.

anyway as for how to begin with jazz i would definitely recommend trying some blues stuff. and also the groove is another big thing but guess that's another time! maybe i will record something too

yeah i can read chinese perfectly but it's typing that i have problem with! yeah totally man i would love to share cus i am just such a fan to guitar and music!

nice chatting with you too dude! keep surfing!